Comments on: Don't throw the SOA baby out with the marchitecture

Comments on: Don't throw the SOA baby out with the marchitecture http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html Thoughts on IT architecture, governance, technology trends and the business value of IT Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:25:03 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-218 Anonymous Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:42:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-218 Woo! <br/>Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-) Woo!
Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-222 Anonymous Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:42:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-222 Woo! <br/>Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-) Woo!
Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-224 Anonymous Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:42:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-224 Woo! <br/>Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-) Woo!
Jon got a Redmonk Cease and Desist! :-)

]]> By: Jon Collins http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-217 Jon Collins Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:55:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-217 Hmm. <br/><br/>1. How can the outsider tell the difference between "a Cote view" and "a formal Redmonk position"? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two. <br/><br/>2. The reason the post says "pals" is because Cote's own post refers to "James and I" - you were indeed debating it, weren't you? Or at least, you had a "delightful discussion"? I then reference Cote's own comment.<br/><br/>3. I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me - "its too early to call SOA a failure" - I certainly wasn't!<br/><br/>4. "please respect our conversational analysis style" - I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style. <br/><br/>5. "I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions" - err, I didn't. For that matter, I don't know what difference it would make if I had. <br/><br/>All the best, Jon Hmm.

1. How can the outsider tell the difference between “a Cote view” and “a formal Redmonk position”? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two.

2. The reason the post says “pals” is because Cote’s own post refers to “James and I” – you were indeed debating it, weren’t you? Or at least, you had a “delightful discussion”? I then reference Cote’s own comment.

3. I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me – “its too early to call SOA a failure” – I certainly wasn’t!

4. “please respect our conversational analysis style” – I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style.

5. “I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions” – err, I didn’t. For that matter, I don’t know what difference it would make if I had.

All the best, Jon

]]> By: Jon Collins http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-220 Jon Collins Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:55:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-220 Hmm. <br/><br/>1. How can the outsider tell the difference between "a Cote view" and "a formal Redmonk position"? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two. <br/><br/>2. The reason the post says "pals" is because Cote's own post refers to "James and I" - you were indeed debating it, weren't you? Or at least, you had a "delightful discussion"? I then reference Cote's own comment.<br/><br/>3. I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me - "its too early to call SOA a failure" - I certainly wasn't!<br/><br/>4. "please respect our conversational analysis style" - I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style. <br/><br/>5. "I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions" - err, I didn't. For that matter, I don't know what difference it would make if I had. <br/><br/>All the best, Jon Hmm.

1. How can the outsider tell the difference between “a Cote view” and “a formal Redmonk position”? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two.

2. The reason the post says “pals” is because Cote’s own post refers to “James and I” – you were indeed debating it, weren’t you? Or at least, you had a “delightful discussion”? I then reference Cote’s own comment.

3. I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me – “its too early to call SOA a failure” – I certainly wasn’t!

4. “please respect our conversational analysis style” – I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style.

5. “I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions” – err, I didn’t. For that matter, I don’t know what difference it would make if I had.

All the best, Jon

]]> By: Jon Collins http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-223 Jon Collins Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:55:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-223 Hmm. <br/><br/>1. How can the outsider tell the difference between "a Cote view" and "a formal Redmonk position"? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two. <br/><br/>2. The reason the post says "pals" is because Cote's own post refers to "James and I" - you were indeed debating it, weren't you? Or at least, you had a "delightful discussion"? I then reference Cote's own comment.<br/><br/>3. I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me - "its too early to call SOA a failure" - I certainly wasn't!<br/><br/>4. "please respect our conversational analysis style" - I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style. <br/><br/>5. "I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions" - err, I didn't. For that matter, I don't know what difference it would make if I had. <br/><br/>All the best, Jon Hmm.

1. How can the outsider tell the difference between “a Cote view” and “a formal Redmonk position”? There is no disclaimer on the post, not that I would expect one but neither do I know how to distinguish the two.

2. The reason the post says “pals” is because Cote’s own post refers to “James and I” – you were indeed debating it, weren’t you? Or at least, you had a “delightful discussion”? I then reference Cote’s own comment.

3. I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with Cote or agreeing with me – “its too early to call SOA a failure” – I certainly wasn’t!

4. “please respect our conversational analysis style” – I apologise in advance but I have absolutely no idea what I did that failed to respect your conversational analysis style.

5. “I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions” – err, I didn’t. For that matter, I don’t know what difference it would make if I had.

All the best, Jon

]]> By: James Governor http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-216 James Governor Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:20:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-216 "pal" singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.<br/><br/>its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples. <br/><br/>While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.<br/><br/>Cheers Jon. “pal” singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.

its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples.

While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.

Cheers Jon.

]]> By: James Governor http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-219 James Governor Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:20:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-219 "pal" singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.<br/><br/>its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples. <br/><br/>While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.<br/><br/>Cheers Jon. “pal” singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.

its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples.

While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.

Cheers Jon.

]]> By: James Governor http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2006/10/dont-throw-soa-baby-out-with.html/comment-page-1#comment-221 James Governor Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:20:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2006/10/11/dont-throw-the-soa-baby-out-with-the-marchitecture/#comment-221 "pal" singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.<br/><br/>its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples. <br/><br/>While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.<br/><br/>Cheers Jon. “pal” singular? that is a Cote view, not a formal RedMonk position, and should probably be treated as such. He was asking a question by making a statement, which is a great question to ask.

its too early to call SOA a failure in bringing business and IT closer together though. I can point to organisations, such as Sprint, where SOA has undoubtedly encouraged alignment. There are many examples.

While I agree with much of what you say here, please respect our conversational analysis style, and I would ask you not to position statements on our blogs as definitive RedMonk positions.

Cheers Jon.

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