http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2007/10/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea.html Thoughts on IT architecture, governance, technology trends and the business value of IT Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:25:03 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2007/10/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea.html/comment-page-1#comment-319 Neil Ward-Dutton Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:54:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea/#comment-319 Well, it depends on what you think BPEL is good for. Is BPEL enough to support real-world business processes? We don't think so - we've said many times on many occasions that the "BP" in "BPEL" is misleading. BPEL is an application integration execution language. Even when you add in the new extensions for human task management, the scope of BPEL is still quite limited. Collaxa had a good implementation and Oracle has a good installed base - but it's still not BPM. Well, it depends on what you think BPEL is good for. Is BPEL enough to support real-world business processes? We don’t think so – we’ve said many times on many occasions that the “BP” in “BPEL” is misleading. BPEL is an application integration execution language. Even when you add in the new extensions for human task management, the scope of BPEL is still quite limited. Collaxa had a good implementation and Oracle has a good installed base – but it’s still not BPM.

]]> http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2007/10/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea.html/comment-page-1#comment-321 Neil Ward-Dutton Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:54:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea/#comment-321 Well, it depends on what you think BPEL is good for. Is BPEL enough to support real-world business processes? We don't think so - we've said many times on many occasions that the "BP" in "BPEL" is misleading. BPEL is an application integration execution language. Even when you add in the new extensions for human task management, the scope of BPEL is still quite limited. Collaxa had a good implementation and Oracle has a good installed base - but it's still not BPM. Well, it depends on what you think BPEL is good for. Is BPEL enough to support real-world business processes? We don’t think so – we’ve said many times on many occasions that the “BP” in “BPEL” is misleading. BPEL is an application integration execution language. Even when you add in the new extensions for human task management, the scope of BPEL is still quite limited. Collaxa had a good implementation and Oracle has a good installed base – but it’s still not BPM.

]]> http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2007/10/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea.html/comment-page-1#comment-318 Anonymous Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:38:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea/#comment-318 You mention "where Oracle only has basic BPEL web services orchestration". I am not going to discard BEA's (acquired) Fuego product, but I completely disagree with your view on Oracle's solution in this space. BPEL is where all of the industry is going (incl. BEA in their latest releases), Oracle has always had the most sophisticated implementation (also based on an acquisition, Collaxa), and has takem the basis BPEL engine to great heights with a very solid installed base. Just tossing this as a basic Web Service orchestration tool does not do it right. You mention “where Oracle only has basic BPEL web services orchestration”. I am not going to discard BEA’s (acquired) Fuego product, but I completely disagree with your view on Oracle’s solution in this space. BPEL is where all of the industry is going (incl. BEA in their latest releases), Oracle has always had the most sophisticated implementation (also based on an acquisition, Collaxa), and has takem the basis BPEL engine to great heights with a very solid installed base. Just tossing this as a basic Web Service orchestration tool does not do it right.

]]> http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2007/10/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea.html/comment-page-1#comment-320 Anonymous Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:38:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/oracle-proposes-to-buy-bea/#comment-320 You mention "where Oracle only has basic BPEL web services orchestration". I am not going to discard BEA's (acquired) Fuego product, but I completely disagree with your view on Oracle's solution in this space. BPEL is where all of the industry is going (incl. BEA in their latest releases), Oracle has always had the most sophisticated implementation (also based on an acquisition, Collaxa), and has takem the basis BPEL engine to great heights with a very solid installed base. Just tossing this as a basic Web Service orchestration tool does not do it right. You mention “where Oracle only has basic BPEL web services orchestration”. I am not going to discard BEA’s (acquired) Fuego product, but I completely disagree with your view on Oracle’s solution in this space. BPEL is where all of the industry is going (incl. BEA in their latest releases), Oracle has always had the most sophisticated implementation (also based on an acquisition, Collaxa), and has takem the basis BPEL engine to great heights with a very solid installed base. Just tossing this as a basic Web Service orchestration tool does not do it right.

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