Comments on: Software AG goes in an interesting direction for SOA governance http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html Thoughts on BPM, collaboration, analytics and information management, technology trends and the business value of IT Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:21:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Neil Macehiter http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-353 Neil Macehiter Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:44:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-353 David<br/><br/>I will have to leave it down to Amberpoint/Yphise to comment on the evaluation. <br/><br/>Neil David

I will have to leave it down to Amberpoint/Yphise to comment on the evaluation.

Neil

]]> By: Neil Macehiter http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-359 Neil Macehiter Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:44:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-359 David<br/><br/>I will have to leave it down to Amberpoint/Yphise to comment on the evaluation. <br/><br/>Neil David

I will have to leave it down to Amberpoint/Yphise to comment on the evaluation.

Neil

]]> By: David Bressler http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-352 David Bressler Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:25:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-352 Neil,<br/><br/>It wasn't SOA Software, but I'm not sure if they're released who the third company was. I think they have, and like Amberpoint, they remain a partner of Software AG. They are, however, a company that in my estimation doesn't compete directly with Actional.<br/><br/>It was Yphise that did the evaluation, but... I was part of that evaluation, and they did not do a hands-on evaluation. Amberpoint announced that it was... and in fact, then said that they were better than us and TIBCO (right in the subhead). It is unusual for a press release to call out specific competitors, moreso when those competitors are partners!<br/><br/>Noted about SAP. I'll pull that standard objection from my repertoire. You've convinced me, Oracle would likely work with them independent of the SAP investment.<br/><br/>Thanks!<br/><br/>David Neil,

It wasn’t SOA Software, but I’m not sure if they’re released who the third company was. I think they have, and like Amberpoint, they remain a partner of Software AG. They are, however, a company that in my estimation doesn’t compete directly with Actional.

It was Yphise that did the evaluation, but… I was part of that evaluation, and they did not do a hands-on evaluation. Amberpoint announced that it was… and in fact, then said that they were better than us and TIBCO (right in the subhead). It is unusual for a press release to call out specific competitors, moreso when those competitors are partners!

Noted about SAP. I’ll pull that standard objection from my repertoire. You’ve convinced me, Oracle would likely work with them independent of the SAP investment.

Thanks!

David

]]> By: David Bressler http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-358 David Bressler Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:25:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-358 Neil,<br/><br/>It wasn't SOA Software, but I'm not sure if they're released who the third company was. I think they have, and like Amberpoint, they remain a partner of Software AG. They are, however, a company that in my estimation doesn't compete directly with Actional.<br/><br/>It was Yphise that did the evaluation, but... I was part of that evaluation, and they did not do a hands-on evaluation. Amberpoint announced that it was... and in fact, then said that they were better than us and TIBCO (right in the subhead). It is unusual for a press release to call out specific competitors, moreso when those competitors are partners!<br/><br/>Noted about SAP. I'll pull that standard objection from my repertoire. You've convinced me, Oracle would likely work with them independent of the SAP investment.<br/><br/>Thanks!<br/><br/>David Neil,

It wasn’t SOA Software, but I’m not sure if they’re released who the third company was. I think they have, and like Amberpoint, they remain a partner of Software AG. They are, however, a company that in my estimation doesn’t compete directly with Actional.

It was Yphise that did the evaluation, but… I was part of that evaluation, and they did not do a hands-on evaluation. Amberpoint announced that it was… and in fact, then said that they were better than us and TIBCO (right in the subhead). It is unusual for a press release to call out specific competitors, moreso when those competitors are partners!

Noted about SAP. I’ll pull that standard objection from my repertoire. You’ve convinced me, Oracle would likely work with them independent of the SAP investment.

Thanks!

David

]]> By: Neil Macehiter http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-351 Neil Macehiter Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:10:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-351 Thanks David<br/><br/>The primary rationale for my surprise is the fact that Software AG and Progress are competitors and that Software AG already has a technology partnership with AmberPoint.<br/><br/>I am not in a position to comment on Software AG's experiences with alternative run-time management solutions (although it is in line with some of the comments that Oracle made when it discussed its roadmap for BEA). That being said, I have no doubt that Software AG undertook a detailed due diligence exercise which encompassed technology, business and cultural aspects of an OEM relationship and that AmberPoint and others (SOA Software?) were part of that exercise.<br/><br/>Was it AmberPoint referencing TIBCO alongside Actional and SOA Software? As far as I can tell it was Yphise who analysed SOA governance solutions, of which TIBCO is one.<br/><br/>Layer 7 is listed as a technology partner of AmberPoint but again I am not in a position to comment on the effectiveness of the integration. <br/><br/>With respect to the Oracle decision, my own view is that Oracle chose to go with the web servces management capabilities it obtained with the Oblix acquisition. I am less convinced by the SAP point: Oracle partners with Business Objects and SAP is more than an investor! Thanks David

The primary rationale for my surprise is the fact that Software AG and Progress are competitors and that Software AG already has a technology partnership with AmberPoint.

I am not in a position to comment on Software AG’s experiences with alternative run-time management solutions (although it is in line with some of the comments that Oracle made when it discussed its roadmap for BEA). That being said, I have no doubt that Software AG undertook a detailed due diligence exercise which encompassed technology, business and cultural aspects of an OEM relationship and that AmberPoint and others (SOA Software?) were part of that exercise.

Was it AmberPoint referencing TIBCO alongside Actional and SOA Software? As far as I can tell it was Yphise who analysed SOA governance solutions, of which TIBCO is one.

Layer 7 is listed as a technology partner of AmberPoint but again I am not in a position to comment on the effectiveness of the integration.

With respect to the Oracle decision, my own view is that Oracle chose to go with the web servces management capabilities it obtained with the Oblix acquisition. I am less convinced by the SAP point: Oracle partners with Business Objects and SAP is more than an investor!

]]> By: Neil Macehiter http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-357 Neil Macehiter Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:10:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-357 Thanks David<br/><br/>The primary rationale for my surprise is the fact that Software AG and Progress are competitors and that Software AG already has a technology partnership with AmberPoint.<br/><br/>I am not in a position to comment on Software AG's experiences with alternative run-time management solutions (although it is in line with some of the comments that Oracle made when it discussed its roadmap for BEA). That being said, I have no doubt that Software AG undertook a detailed due diligence exercise which encompassed technology, business and cultural aspects of an OEM relationship and that AmberPoint and others (SOA Software?) were part of that exercise.<br/><br/>Was it AmberPoint referencing TIBCO alongside Actional and SOA Software? As far as I can tell it was Yphise who analysed SOA governance solutions, of which TIBCO is one.<br/><br/>Layer 7 is listed as a technology partner of AmberPoint but again I am not in a position to comment on the effectiveness of the integration. <br/><br/>With respect to the Oracle decision, my own view is that Oracle chose to go with the web servces management capabilities it obtained with the Oblix acquisition. I am less convinced by the SAP point: Oracle partners with Business Objects and SAP is more than an investor! Thanks David

The primary rationale for my surprise is the fact that Software AG and Progress are competitors and that Software AG already has a technology partnership with AmberPoint.

I am not in a position to comment on Software AG’s experiences with alternative run-time management solutions (although it is in line with some of the comments that Oracle made when it discussed its roadmap for BEA). That being said, I have no doubt that Software AG undertook a detailed due diligence exercise which encompassed technology, business and cultural aspects of an OEM relationship and that AmberPoint and others (SOA Software?) were part of that exercise.

Was it AmberPoint referencing TIBCO alongside Actional and SOA Software? As far as I can tell it was Yphise who analysed SOA governance solutions, of which TIBCO is one.

Layer 7 is listed as a technology partner of AmberPoint but again I am not in a position to comment on the effectiveness of the integration.

With respect to the Oracle decision, my own view is that Oracle chose to go with the web servces management capabilities it obtained with the Oblix acquisition. I am less convinced by the SAP point: Oracle partners with Business Objects and SAP is more than an investor!

]]> By: Neil Ward-Dutton http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-350 Neil Ward-Dutton Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:49:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-350 We had another comment on this post that made a good point - but unfortunately contained an insult to another commenter. We don't like that sort of thing so we rejected the comment.<br/>So - Anonymous, if you fancy submitting the comment again, but this time without the insult, we'd be very grateful. We had another comment on this post that made a good point – but unfortunately contained an insult to another commenter. We don’t like that sort of thing so we rejected the comment.
So – Anonymous, if you fancy submitting the comment again, but this time without the insult, we’d be very grateful.

]]> By: Neil Ward-Dutton http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-356 Neil Ward-Dutton Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:49:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-356 We had another comment on this post that made a good point - but unfortunately contained an insult to another commenter. We don't like that sort of thing so we rejected the comment.<br/>So - Anonymous, if you fancy submitting the comment again, but this time without the insult, we'd be very grateful. We had another comment on this post that made a good point – but unfortunately contained an insult to another commenter. We don’t like that sort of thing so we rejected the comment.
So – Anonymous, if you fancy submitting the comment again, but this time without the insult, we’d be very grateful.

]]> By: David Bressler http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-349 David Bressler Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:45:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-349 I've been corrected on my own blog comments (http://bit.ly/ySuya) and wanted to correct myself here. Apparently ClearApp has support for BEA WLS and other platforms. I’ve been corrected on my own blog comments (http://bit.ly/ySuya) and wanted to correct myself here. Apparently ClearApp has support for BEA WLS and other platforms.

]]> By: David Bressler http://www.mwdadvisors.com/blog/2008/09/software-ag-goes-in-interesting.html/comment-page-1#comment-355 David Bressler Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:45:00 +0000 http://mwdtemp.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/software-ag-goes-in-an-interesting-direction-for-soa-governance/#comment-355 I've been corrected on my own blog comments (http://bit.ly/ySuya) and wanted to correct myself here. Apparently ClearApp has support for BEA WLS and other platforms. I’ve been corrected on my own blog comments (http://bit.ly/ySuya) and wanted to correct myself here. Apparently ClearApp has support for BEA WLS and other platforms.

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